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    Home»Life and Relationships»Keep Calm and Carry On! Part 2
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    Keep Calm and Carry On! Part 2

    HayleyBy HayleyOctober 28, 201321 Comments7 Mins Read
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    Last week I mentioned that the hubby and I have recently experienced a couple of minor emotional hurdles concerning our debt situation. In part 1, I explained how I received a letter that made me feel rather queasy from a debt collection company chasing an old debt from 2003 (that I didn’t and still don’t know anything about)!

    Luckily, help was on hand in the form of the wonderful PF community and I was able to find out my rights concerning this. I’m currently in the process of fighting this little complication to the end. 🙂

    Today, I wanted to focus on the other issue which reared its head at the time and rocked our boat a little. This issue was something called an Individual Voluntary Arrangement (IVA).

    How we manage our debt

    You may know from reading our story that my hubby is involved in a Debt Management Plan (DMP). A DMP is an informal agreement between a person and their creditors to arrange a lower repayment plan. Our DMP is in the hubby’s name but we treat this as ‘our’ debt because that’s what it is. We have joint finances all the way.

    Back when things were fairly bad and the hubby got into debt from his business expenses, he had to liaise with his creditors to ask for a reduced payment plan in order to afford the payments. At the time, it was either this option or there would be a real danger of no food on the table.

    Although these reduced payments have enabled us to survive financially, the hubby’s credit rating is adversely affected. Each month he defaults on his payments because of the fact that he’s paying less than the minimum amount (the interest is frozen thank goodness). This is reflected on his credit file for six years after the last default takes place!!! So obviously this wasn’t a decision that was taken lightly but something we felt we had no choice about. It was the better of two evils.

    Because I’m self employed, our income is very variable and the only way we’ve made such good progress on paying off our debt this year so far is through scrimping, saving and selling a ton of items to make extra money. Most of this has been paid towards my credit card to try to get rid of this first before we tackle the rest of our debt. This is because I’m currently paying a small amount of interest on my credit card debt and once this debt has gone, we’ll have extra money each month to pay towards the DMP. Yay!

    So in a nutshell, our plan is to pay off my credit card and then continue to scrimp, save and make extra money. Any payments then made towards the DMP would be equally shared amongst the creditors. With this in mind and because we’re just a couple of months away from paying off my card, we’ve been super excited and really positive.

    Sometimes having choices can make the road ahead unclear

    However a couple of weeks ago, the hubby received a phone call from an insolvency specialist company asking him whether he would be interested in an IVA. This is a form of personal insolvency (not quite as extreme as bankruptcy) and is a legal process which goes though court. What it means in practical terms is that we’d pay back substantially less than what we owe as some of our debt would be written off.

    The IVA would last for five years with an agreed repayment amount each month. At the end of the five years, we’d be asked to value our home and should there be any equity in it, we’d then be asked to remortgage it to pay off more of the debts. If we were unable to find any equity, we’d continue the IVA for another year. The impact on the hubby’s credit file would be significant (as bad as if we were to go bankrupt) but once the IVA completes, he could start to build up his credit score again. So this is a sort of ‘plus’ to an IVA situation.

    We were offered this as a possible solution to tackling our debt. Because our level of debt is so high, it could take years in theory to pay back the debt by way of a DMP, like we’re doing already. In theory that is, because we intend to pay it off much sooner. With the IVA though, it means that the debt is ‘settled’ one way or another after five to six years.

    It’s not a solution for us

    I can see why some people would go down the IVA route rather than go through a DMP, but I’m not sure it’s for us. For starters, I’m not too happy about the fact that we’d be asked to remortgage our home. If we’d have wanted to put our debt onto a mortgage, we could have done this a long time ago when we had equity in our home but we certainly don’t fancy paying interest on this debt for the next 20 years or so. It would be like taking out another loan but only to get hammered on interest!

    We were told on the phone that we ‘probably’ wouldn’t have to pay back any of our equity because of the fact that we’d struggle to get a mortgage for a while due to the hubby’s credit rating. But I think this is still too risky to consider.

    There’s also something that doesn’t feel right to us about ‘becoming insolvent’ in a court of law when we can actually make these reduced payments at the moment. It’s kind of like giving up when we’ve come this far already.

    There’s a part of us which is really proud of the fact that we’re paying off our debt! Although we still can’t afford the full repayments yet, perhaps we can get those payments back on track once we make some headway in overpaying our creditors and then we could start to repair the hubby’s credit rating earlier than we think.

    One question that the person from this insolvency company asked of us was this: did we really think we would be able to pay back this amount of debt in even 10 years? Hey thanks for boosting our confidence! I was thinking around four years actually with a supreme amount of effort from us.

    This person was an outsider to our situation yet they shared the fact that they doubted we could achieve debt freedom at all. This is what caused the hubby to have a wobble recently and led to him wondering whether we could carry on with plans as they are. We don’t like wobbles, because they just stop us from thinking positively and making the best of our situation!

    Anyway, after carefully weighing up the options and rebuilding our confidence in what we can achieve, we have decided to stick with our current path on our DMP, focusing on scrimping, saving and making extra money until this debt is paid off once and for all.

    It’s only us that can make this happen and we can’t afford to doubt ourselves now even if other people do! I’ve got a good feeling that next year is going to be ‘the one to remember‘ in terms of debt payoff and turning a corner!

    Have you ever doubted yourself before because others haven’t believed in you?

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    Editor’s note: This week is a jam packed one for A Disease Called Debt! Please visit tomorrow for Frugal Feast #2 with the fabulous Eva from Girl Counting Pennies and I’ll be back on Wednesday with October’s Debt Repayment Update! 

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    21 Comments

    1. Budget and the Beach on October 28, 2013 2:44 pm

      I’ve never had to face anything like that before, but the IVA route just sounds a little sketchy and uncertain, and it would greatly affect your husband’s credit score. I know it probably seems like a long uphill battle with paying off your debt, but slow and steady wins the race. Good luck!
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      • Hayley on October 28, 2013 3:10 pm

        Thanks Tonya! That’s how I feel too – all rather uncertain and at least carrying on with our plan now means that we’re seeing progress. It would be hard to tell whether we were making progress or not on the IVA as it’s a case of biding time.

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    2. Charles@gettingarichlife on October 28, 2013 2:45 pm

      Hi Hayley,
      I’m glad you’re staying the course and focusing on paying off all your debts. Too often people take the easy way out and declare bankruptcy or worse not even confront their debt.
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      • Hayley on October 28, 2013 3:12 pm

        Thanks so much Charles. We’re determined to pay off this debt no matter how long it takes (hopefully sooner rather than later though!) 😉

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    3. Girl Meets Debt on October 28, 2013 3:37 pm

      I’m so happy you guys didn’t go with the IVA route – it just sounds all shades of sketchy! Like you, while I am not proud of having debt, I am proud of the fact that I am finally tackling it full force! You and your family have already turned a corner Hayley and 2014 will only be better! 🙂
      Girl Meets Debt recently posted…Sometimes You Just Have to Ask For It!My Profile

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    4. Hayley @ A Disease Called Debt on October 28, 2013 3:48 pm

      Thanks so much GMD! I’d love to be able to say one day that we paid the debt off all by ourselves i.e. we got ourselves into a mess and we got ourselves out of it! I can’t wait to read your debt repayment update soon – hope you’re still doing them? 🙂

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    5. Debt and the Girl on October 28, 2013 4:00 pm

      I am sorry you are going through so much with this. It sucks your hubby’s credit is being affected. I hope it all works out in the end and that you can make a significant dent in your debt.
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      • Hayley @ A Disease Called Debt on October 28, 2013 8:11 pm

        Thanks Natalie! Things are better than they used to be thank goodness – there was a point where I thought bankruptcy was our only option. Things will come good one day I’m sure! 🙂

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    6. E.M. on October 28, 2013 5:05 pm

      Good for you for deciding to stick it out with your current plan. I love your reasoning behind all of it. I’m sure your family will come out all the stronger for it, too. I agree that the remortgage thing would have thrown me off – that doesn’t sound like a good option. I wouldn’t worry about what others think of your situation – the person over the phone only had a few numbers to work with. Not everyone is as motivated to pay off debt, and they were probably hoping you were one of those people. You’ll show them!
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      • Hayley @ A Disease Called Debt on October 28, 2013 8:19 pm

        Thanks E.M. You’re right – that person doesn’t really know anything about us or how focused we are now. They could probably just see the ‘history’ that’s there which doesn’t look good. I’m glad you think we’re doing the right thing!

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    7. Done by Forty on October 28, 2013 7:34 pm

      I am no expert on the UK options, but I believe we’d do the same thing. I hate the idea of being forced to use your home equity to settle the debts at a certain time.

      Like you noted, the person on the phone likely has no insight into the progress you’ve made or the intensity with which you’re attacking your debt. I love that you’re staying the course. Go get ’em!
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      • Hayley @ A Disease Called Debt on October 28, 2013 8:26 pm

        Thanks so much DB40! We’ve just got to stick to our gut on this one and remember that we can do this!!

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    8. Eva @ Girl Counting Pennies on October 28, 2013 8:43 pm

      I agree with other commentators, an IVA route does sound a bit unsettling. I don’t think I could ever go through with an IVA or declaring bankruptcy, I’d rather stop eating lunch and dinner! It sounds too scary! Remortgage your house and a ruined credit score for 5-6 years… this doesn’t sound good at all! I am confident that you can pay off your debt without going the IVA route, I have faith in you and your husband! You have come a long way already, and I am very proud of you, Hayley! You can do it! xo
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      • Hayley on October 31, 2013 2:06 pm

        Thanks Eva for having faith in me! The hubby’s credit score will still be badly affected even on our existing route but I think it’s a better option for us rather than going down the IVA route all in all.
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    9. Rob Debt Advice Blog on October 29, 2013 12:15 am

      Hi Hayley,

      Agreed an IVA is not for everyone especially given the consequences of one. Debt Management Plans are normally used when you can pay off your debt in a reasonable time. The other thing about a DMP is the fact that your situation may improve down the line so you could pay it off faster.

      You are going down the same path as me and my partner. On the face of things it would appear that it will take about 10 years to pay everything off but each month we work hard to try and pay more than the agreed amounts.

      Never let what someone else says make you doubt yourself though. The fact you are working on this blog and working hard towards paying off your debts is commendable. I think I speak for everyone when I say we know you will do it, and certainly before ten years down the road.

      Keep working at it and good luck. 🙂
      Rob Debt Advice Blog recently posted…How can you get yourself out of Debt?My Profile

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      • Hayley on October 31, 2013 2:17 pm

        Thanks so much Rob, I really appreciate this comment and your support. Especially as you are in my opinion a guru on debt – you know so much stuff about the various options in tackling debt!

        I like the fact that on a DMP, you can overpay if your circumstances change – that’s what we’re hoping for in the future. I don’t know if they will but even if they don’t we seem to be scraping extra cash together somehow.

        I always follow your progress Rob and I know that you have made some great repayments too lately – I wish you and your partner all the best in becoming debt free before too long! 🙂

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    10. Lyle @ The Joy of Simple on October 29, 2013 2:43 am

      Hey Hayley. I’m so glad that you both decided to stay with the DMP 🙂

      To be honest I have no idea what the financial nitty-gritty of all this is, but my first concern was when you mentioned that the IVA specialist CALLED you, rather than one of you calling them! To me that’s almost as bad as bad as some solicitors chasing ambulances. Seriously, how dare they.

      You’re all doign so well and even thought it might not be reducing as fast as you both would like, it IS going down and will continue to do so. This is a rabbit VS the hare scenario and you know how that turned out for the rabbit 🙂

      “Have you ever doubted yourself before because others haven’t believed in you?” – Sadly yes…and I hated it!

      Thanks again for sharing some of your life with us and know that we do appreciate your experiences 🙂

      Take care and all the best.

      Lyle
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      • Hayley on October 31, 2013 2:20 pm

        Thanks Lyle! I never thought of it like that but yes the IVA specialist called us! I do wonder how they got our details, that does sound a bit dodgy anyway doesn’t it! You’re right, our debt is going down at last slowly but surely and that’s the main thing!

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    11. robert@moneybulldog on October 30, 2013 1:51 am

      Interesting post Hayley. I had always been led to believe that an IVA was a win-win situation for the person trying to get out of debut but you have pointed out some reasons for not going down that route

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      • Hayley on October 31, 2013 2:26 pm

        Thanks Robert for stopping by! An IVA can be seen as great solution for a person in debt if they have a large amount to pay back (over £15K) and they are renting a property rather than buying through a mortgage. Not for the creditors though as they have to assume that some of the debt will be written off!

        Also, some people are happy to add their debts to their mortgage, but that’s not something we’ve wanted to do personally. I think an IVA needs careful consideration as does any solution when it comes to tackling debt – and then it’s a case of weighing up the pros and cons according to each person’s individual circumstances. 🙂

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