The following is a guest post from Lyle at The Joy of Simple who has an inspiring perspective on finances and life in general! Please feel free to ask Lyle any questions in the comments section below. If you’re interested in guest posting on A Disease Called Debt, please contact me. I’ll be back tomorrow with Friday’s Fab Links!
Okay…so you are in debt crisis mode and have decided to seriously pinch pennies and diminish unwanted expenses as a means to kick your debt in the butt and onto the street to be run over by a huge Mack truck. All good so far? Let’s hope so…but here’s the rub…how is your tight-fisted strangle-hold on your spending going to affect your social life or home life? More importantly though, are your friends and family the reason why you are in debt!?
Whether you live alone, are a bachelor like me, a single parent, or are married with children (Al and Peggy Bundy anyone!?), your wanting to finally take control of your debt, while admirable, will surely have an impact on both friends and family. And while your paring down is for a good cause long term, it is the short term where things can get a tad sticky, especially if your spending habits have, up to this point, been overly generous and frivolous.
Back in my 9 to 5 days I was a regular bon vivant and used to spend lots of money on friends since I was the only one who seemed to have any cashola (ie: a credit card). Restaurants, movies, pinball arcades and taxis everywhere was how I rolled!
Now I didn’t throw my money around because I wanted to show off or make a big splash amongst my group of friends, it’s just that if I wanted to do things that cost money with my friends, I was the one who would always end up paying.
However, as the years went by and my lifestyle changed – especially when I began my first year at University – there was very little, if any money on my part to enjoy the “good life”, or to share with others. All of a sudden when I would get invited out to a movie or dinner, I had to qualify my wanting to go with a “sure, but I can only pay for me.” While this wasn’t an issue all the time, there were more than a few times where I could sense disappointment, which would then be followed up by a “uhh…okay, maybe another time then.”
Now, at that time I couldn’t blame my friends because it was I who got them used to having a “free ride”. And even to this day I don’t regret the countless thousands I had spent over the years. But when I began to take control of my spending habits, I noticed that there were a few friends that began to hang out with me less and less. I began to wonder if my downward spending curve was to blame and that if I wasn’t so intent on saving money and paying off my credit cards, if we would all still be living the life of Riley on my dime? Definitely not a nice way to find out who your true friends are and who aren’t!
I’ve seen the same scenario happen with families as well.
About seven years ago I became very good friends with a married couple who had five young children ranging from age 6 to 12. As he was a successful screenwriter, their lifestyle was what one would expect: big house, private school education for the children, summer and winter vacations abroad, plenty of gadgets, expensive clothes and toys for the kids, you know, the usual success trappings.
As I got to know the family better, I became privy to more personal matters, which revolved mostly around their financial issues.
Truth be told, they were up to their eyeballs in practically every kind of debt you can imagine. Succinctly put, they were living WAYYYY beyond their means. Each month became harder and harder to manage as they tried to stay afloat and it eventually became clear that they had to do something extreme in order to start climbing out from beneath the avalanche of debt that was suffocating them.
After many discussions with their young ones and with each other, they decided to sell the house and move into a rental. And even though this move would have given them the leg up that they needed to clear all the debt, there was lots of resistance from the children, and on occasion, each other. They decided however to go ahead with the plan and within a few months, the house was sold, all their debt was paid off and they settled into a nice, but just as big a house as the previous one.
This time though, they were just renting so there was no mortgage to worry about. No property taxes to worry about and no maintenance concerns. However, their rent was quite expensive given the neighborhood they lived in, and as my friends’ writing gigs diminished – the nature of the business – it didn’t take long before they were once again being crushed by credit card debt.
At the beginning of what was supposed to be their new streamlined life, the husband wanted to downsize, make a budget, send the kids to public schools, cut out the unnecessary from their lives and stay somewhat on track. His wife however had different plans, living and spending like she always had (I’m not judging btw!). The children kept on attending private schools while sporting the latest iPhones, laptops and whatever else they wanted. Eventually the husband gave up trying and two years later, they were in worse shape than they had ever been in, with the huge difference this time of not having a house that could help bail them out!
Eventually, they had no choice but to enroll their children into public schools while slashing a lot of daily and monthly expenses from their financial lives, but it was too late. Their “new” lifestyle not only began to create huge rifts between husband and wife, but sadly, between children and parents. The children continuously wanted what they were accustomed to, what they pretty much had their entire lives, while their parents would argue between themselves on how best to provide for their family with each having their own perspective on what they were willing to cut out or not.
A year or so later, my friends decided to separate and they each moved into rented spaces that were finally matched with their respective incomes while dividing up the children amicably. And while I love their children as if they were my own, I’m surprised that they still complain about not being able to have what they want given what their parents went through personally and as a family.
To be honest, who really knows if the marriage would have sustained itself had they both been on the same page about cutting back and reducing their debt? There’s possibly more here than just not following a budget or sending the kids off to public school.
That being said, and as I mentioned earlier, I do not judge how they each handled their financial affairs, but I wonder if, at the very beginning, if they had both chosen to live well within their means, if they would still be together. Sadly, I’ll never know.
So…how, if at all, has debt affected your friends or family members, immediate or otherwise?
As a single male, my financial actions, whether good or not so good, pretty much only affect me now. But I can only imagine if I was in a committed relationship, how we would each have to be on the same debt reduction page if it was going to work as harmoniously as I, or we, would like.
After all, when both partners are on-board, there should be no problem…theoretically!
But what happens when one is trying to cut costs and save in order to pay off debt, while the other is spending up a storm – even if the purchases “benefit” the family – like a new TV or convenient, “must-have” appliance?
What happens when you’ve been the life of the party but are now considered Scrooge-like because you want to save your money instead of spending it on gratuitous activities with your chums?
Well, hopefully nothing if you have good friends who can understand and accept your decision to be money conscious. Chances are though there will be a few individuals who will feel let down and possibly feel more than a tad resentful of your decision to focus on your debt rather than on their fun. You yourself may feel a tad resentful that you’re always the one expected to pick up the tab.
So, what can one do to avoid such “drama”?
The obvious answer would be to not get yourself into such situations in the first place!!
However, while this may be relatively easy to do with friends, it’s harder to do with a spouse and children since there’s usually a tendency to not want to say “NO!” when the little ones want something or when you are both just starting out on your first home and you want it to feel and look “homey” (IKEA anyone!?) .
A possible solution would be to have “the talk” before you both say “I do!” If one of you has medium to massive debt prior to the marriage, this would be a definite red flag that needs addressing in my book. After all, if you can’t, won’t or are too uncomfortable talking about personal finances prior to a life commitment, what else will you be sweeping under the rug!? As they say in a court of law, ignorance is no excuse!
As I wrap this up, I am reminded how grateful and fortunate I am to not have debt issues. As I reminisce about my lavish past, I am very happy that I embraced a simple living lifestyle. This has allowed me to live life on my terms and a huge part of that has been as a result of my choosing to live below my means. If I kept on spending for all and being the life of the party, I’d most likely be a way different person than I am now. Thankfully, the party ended a long time ago. Sorry guys and gals, you’re all just going to have to buy your own Nachos from now on 🙂
Take care and all the best.
Lyle
Author Bio: Lyle is a self-employed guitar teacher, performer, web-designer and blogger. For the past twenty years, he has adopted the tenets of voluntary simplicity to live a thrift shop life and has recently begun blogging with these concepts in mind at The Joy of Simple.
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29 Comments
Your post illustrates the importance of being on the same page with your spouse regarding finances and not living above your means. I’m glad that the couple you mentioned eventually found something that works for them and were able to separate amicably – that’s a real gift that ex-spouses give each other! It also saves so much money that they were not contentious in court.
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Hey Well Heeled Blog and thanks for the comment 🙂
I too am glad that it never got to the stage where they needed to hire lawyers and go to court. That would have been devastating on a whole bunch of levels apart from the financial concerns. It was also better for the children as well, although sad that it had to happen at all.
Thanks for reading Well Heeled Blog and take care. All the best.
Lyle
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So people invited you to go out and then expected you to pay? That seems a little tacky. I think I’d be looking for new friends.
Hi Kathy and thanks for your comment 🙂
As discussed in the post, this happened way back in the day, like 30 years ago or more. And it was I who needs to take the blame as I got them used to me paying for everything. We were all young.some still in high school so our social graces were less then honed while I was just a year out of HS and working in the “real world”!
Mind you, as time went on and situations changed, I did find out who my true friends were and that made all the difference as they are still my close friends thirty years later 🙂
Take care Kathy and all the best.
Lyle
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I really enjoyed this post, and after reading the story about that family, it makes me feel a lot better looking at my own simplistic situation and breathing a sigh of relief. You just don’t know what other people are going through. My brother is a perfect example of someone who was enabled by my family (LONG story) and when they tried to stop it was like a two year old throwing a tantrum. People’s expectations just become elevated and it’s hard for them to go backwards unless it was their idea and willingness to do so. When I stopped going out to eat and doing other social things with friends, I had a few fall by the wayside…but good riddance. Most have been incredibly supportive of my journey and now my blog since I told them about it. Having that kind of support from friends and loved ones is priceless. I feel very blessed.
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A lack of communication between couples is far more common than I ever imagined. It surprises me how many times I talk to couples about their financial goals and they have never talked to each about goals – for their family or even their own individual goals. They assumed they were on the same page and many times they weren’t.
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Hey Shannon and thanks for the comment 🙂
You are absolutely right! Communication is extremely important in these matters, and like I mentioned in the article, if one is uncomfortable about bringing up the subject of finances, what else would they be reluctant to discuss. Love can only do so much, then life sets in and both parties need to be prepared. It’s great to be single 🙂
Take care Shannon and all the best.
Lyle
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Hey Budget and the Beach and thanks for the comment 🙂
Also, thanks for sharing a little bit of your experiences in relation to the context of this post.
“People’s expectations just become elevated and it’s hard for them to go backwards…” – Precisely! I couldn’t have said it better myself 🙂
Thanks again for dropping by and take care. All the best.
Lyle
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Lyle, this was a fantastic article, I was especially drawn to your remarks on how you didn’t judge your friends. I know it’s hard to do. When I was in my teens I was the one with the job and the car but when I couldn’t afford to pay for things for my friends I too found who my true friend were. In a way it was a good thing for me, and like you learned from the experience. On money and relationships, I believe from what I have seen money is the number one cause of marital problems, and when the money is reduced from what it was when the couple met or married it will shine a spotlight on the differences between the couple.
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Hi Lois and thanks for being here 🙂
What you write is so true. I have seen the damage that money and debt can do to a relationship and it is so sad when money becomes the only thing that couples end up fighting about! To be honest, it makes me feel fortunate to be happily single and poor!
Take care Lois and my best to you and yours.
Lyle
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Hi Lyle!
Just wanted to say a huge thank you for taking the time to write this great post. In the past I’ve been overly generous with friends and family, not because they asked me to be, but because I wanted to treat them to dinner out or a few drinks here and there – especially when I knew they couldn’t afford it. The thing was that I couldn’t afford it either! But I was seen as really sociable and someone everyone invited to their party, night out etc.
Things have changed massively since I started taking the debt seriously which was actually a few years ago. I now have probably a handful of ‘good’ friends who understand my situation. The others that I haven’t told about our situation have become ‘acquaintances’ really.
I think being on the same page as your other half is really important – although my hubby and I knew all along our debt was bad, we didn’t confront it together until a few years ago. If we had done this sooner, we probably wouldn’t be in as much debt. Luckily, we’re getting through it and now we’re definitely on the same page!
Sorry for the long comment (got carried away)!
All the best Lyle and thanks again. 🙂
Hey Hayley and thanks for dropping by on your own blog 🙂
It’s a wonderful feeling to know that as a couple you are dealing with your debt together and not ashamed to admit when enough is enough! At this point, the blame game is thrown out of the financial equation as you both tackle your debt together, united as one. Sounds sappy, but it’s so true! I have no doubt you’ll both end up stronger for it.
Take care and thanks again for having my contribute to DCD. I am enjoying the comments from your awesome readers 🙂 All the best.
Lyle
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That’s so sad your “friends” stopped hanging out with you. Whether they got used to you paying or not, that’s still silly to me. They should have been thankful you were willing to do that for them. Sounds like they didn’t care about anything other than having a good time and unfortunately taking advantage of you to do so.
That’s a really disappointing story about the family, though. Money can corrupt so much. People grow accustomed to a certain lifestyle and feel entitled to it. They should have learned the first time around and used moving to start over with their finances. My ex was a spender and I was a saver, and I had a bad feeling about that in the beginning. It wasn’t what broke us up, but he was so irresponsible with money that I would have never trusted him to manage anything in the future.
The only debt I have is my student loans, and I decided to go to college on my own, so family and friends didn’t factor into that. Thanks for sharing this story, Lyle!
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Hi E. M. and thanks for dropping by to comment 🙂
“Sounds like they didn’t care about anything other than having a good time and unfortunately taking advantage of you to do so. ” – True…but it was a two way street as they say and I made no attempt to curb my “generosity” so in a large way, it’s on me! But it’s cool because as stated, I found out who my true friends really were.
Sorry to hear about your break up. Hopefully it was a positive move for you. If you wouldn’t trust him with being responsible with money, there may have been other things later on that would have proven to be just as problematic.
Thanks again for the comment M. E. and take care. All the best.
Lyle
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Hi Lyle, so good to see you here! I have to say that I was the college friend who splurged on pizzas and beer for everyone. The result was entering my post-college days in debt and then carrying that debt into my marriage. Even after getting a personal loan so we could pay off our credit card debt, we still charged on credit cards. We even had to take out another personal loan a few years later. Our early thirties weren’t much better, and we thought it was no big deal to go out every weekend with friends and blow $70 – $80 in one night. Now I can say we’ve honestly learned. We do most things by ourselves and spend very little. We are very close to debt -free, and we’ve never been happier. We could care less about having “things,” and we enjoy simple things like walks and used books. Thank you so much for sharing your story here!
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Hi Tammy and wonderful to see you here on DCD 🙂
You and CJ are truly an inspiration to us all and I really mean that. If I was prone to envy I would be quite envious of the life you and CJ have carved out over at the Hoombah. Thankfully my envy turns out to be happiness for you both and so well deserved!!
Take care and my best to you both.
Lyle
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Great story, Lyle, and thanks for sharing! Yes, we’ve definitely seen some changes in relationships since we’ve begun our journey to debt free. So sad about your friends and how their family fell apart like that. 🙁 Debt and out of control spending are so destructive, aren’t they? It’s a great thing when you realize that money and stuff really aren’t all that important after all.
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Hey Laurie and thanks for dropping by to comment 🙂
Also, thanks for your kind words, they are greatly appreciated!
“It’s a great thing when you realize that money and stuff really aren’t all that important after all.” – Amen to that sister 🙂
Take care Laurie and all my best to you and yours.
Lyle
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Lyle! Great post! And Hi Hayley!!! Of course we must accept 100% accountability with our own finances, but friends and fam are the ones with whom we keep company and their influence cannot be understated. I think it is best to give more time and attention to those that are positive influences in our lives and are thinking more like ourselves. It’s a great lesson in time/resource allocation. Have a marvy and nifty one!!!
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Hey CJ and great to see you here 🙂
Your comment hits home and I couldn’t have said it better myself!!
Thanks again and take care. See ya on the flip side!
Lyle
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This is a sad story about your friends, Lyle. It’s a shame that debt and money issues drifted their family apart. I think it is extremely important to be on the same page when it comes to money and joint finances. I am single at the moment, but when the time comes to build a family, I will make sure we are headed in the same direction financially. Thank you for a great post!
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Hi Eva and thanks for your wonderful comment 🙂
I’ve seen how money and finances can really tear a relationship apart and I think it happens more than we would care to admit. I’m single as well and like you, if I ever do decide to “settle down”, I would want to make sure that we are both on the same page on a bunch of things…finances being one of them, since she would definitely have more money than me!!
Take care Eva and all the best.
Lyle
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Hey there Lyle!
It’s amazing to see all these bloggers criss-crossing each other! I love this community!
Money issues and child-rearing are the two most contentious situations in a relationship when you are not on the same page. I know. I live both! Most times we are on the same page but when we are not…. oy! Now that I am not working (and still have 3 more months of severance to go), I am trying to adapt our spending accordingly. We are living in a “must have now” era and have to fight tooth and nail agains the “Keeping up with the Jones'” mentality.
I am confident that we will find a nice balance but it will definitely take the whole family’s participation (and the extended family and friends will just have to adapt!)
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Hi Dale and thanks for dropping by and sharing your words 🙂
It’s definitely not easy to be on the same page, but as you stated, extremely important if all is to run smoothly!
“…and the extended family and friends will just have to adapt!” – I love that!! Yes they will!! 🙂
Take care and my best to all.
Lyle
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You’re the average of the 5 people you spend the most time with, as they say. So who you surround yourself with will definitely make an impact on your financial success. It’s a shame you had to find out some of your friends were actually more interested in the free ride than the friendship!
As far as marriage, having the money talk first is absolutely critical. One way the wife and I keep our financial sanity is that we contribute the majority of our income to the joint pool, but each keep a little bit each month to do with as we see fit. So if my wife wants to go splurge on a day spa or shoe buying binge, she uses her “mad money” and everyone’s happy.
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Hey Jack and thanks for the comment 🙂
Sounds like you and your wife are going about things the right way, which obviously work for you both! Way to go 🙂
Take care and all the best.
Lyle
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