Well, compared to April’s exciting debt repayment update, I’m afraid May was rather lacking in terms of getting debts paid off.
We had a couple of setbacks and only managed to pay off £300 in total this month. However, we’re still so happy about the debt repayment we managed in April and the main thing is that the numbers are still going in the right direction. So that’s all good!
Here’s what happened during May.
I earned less income
May was probably one of my worst months ever in terms of earning income from my self-employed business. I ended up not working as much as I wanted to because it’s a quiet time of year and I just didn’t get enough work. What I did earn went towards regular bills and not debt. The good news is that June is looking to be a bit better.
We had to deal with a tricky creditor
You know how we only have one creditor left to pay? Well that’s great of course, but we did leave the beast until last. Our last debt is a loan which was taken out back in 2009 for the total amount of £15K. Guess how much is left on it? £14237.74!
This is because we made the mistake of taking out a front loaded loan. This means that the interest was all added on at the start i.e. the interest was front loaded. So the day after we took out £15K, we owed around £21K. If we wanted to settle the next day, we’d have to pay back the original loan amount plus a lot of fees. I can’t remember the exact reason why we did such a silly thing, but I think it’s because the interest was actually at a pretty low rate across the term of the loan.
You probably know that the hubby and I had no choice but to enter into a debt management plan a few years ago in 2011. We hit rock bottom. Quite frequently, when a person enters into a debt management plan (which means that they can’t afford to pay their debts in full each month), their creditors will try to help them by freezing the interest and stopping the charges.
Of course they are not obliged to do this, but provided they are given the full facts and circumstances of that person, they usually do actually want them to get back on their feet again so that they can repay their debt. Stopping the interest gives a person who is in trouble financially a little breathing space to recover from rock bottom.
Anyway, most of our creditors did this for us (thank you, thank you, thank you!). But not this one. No chance of that because of the front loaded element of our loan. It was already a done deal. Our original payment amount was £192 per month and this creditor did help us by lowering it to £119 as part of our debt management plan.
They carried on charging us fees here and there for a while. If anyone reading this is debating over whether to get a front loaded loan or not, I would urge you to look into the pros and cons of doing so. Just in case things go wrong, like they did for us.
When we paid our other creditors off (yay!), we contacted our last creditor to let them know we wanted to increase our payments to £300 per month – which is what we were originally paying for all of our debts on our debt management plan. We of course made extra payments whenever we could by selling things and earning extra money. This kind of income was unrealiable though and that’s why we kept our debt management plan payment to £300 as standard. Anything extra was a huge bonus.
So we phoned up the creditor full of the joys of Spring that we were about to ask them to up our payment to £300 (not £119 or the even the original amount of £192 per month). Only to be shot down quite quickly.
It pays to be prepared when talking to creditors
The creditor asked for our latest income and expenditure figures which we happily gave them. The creditor worked out that we would have £600 per month leftover and said, “Yes, we’ll take all of that.” Not please, not maybe, just, “We’ll take it all.”
Gulp!! On paper, yes it did look like we had that amount left each month but what the creditor didn’t seem to understand was that my income fluctuates. Take this month for example – we haven’t been able to pay anything extra whatsoever towards the debts apart from the £300. We also realised we hadn’t factored in little things like pet food and some insurances. Also, we had to explain to our creditor that we need a little money for an emergency fund, to which they replied, “What do you need an emergency fund for?”
We then had to explain about our rental property which has something going wrong with it just about every other month, our rusty old car which keeps breaking down and just general emergencies like having a higher bill than expected one month! And then there’s car tax and my self-employed tax that I have to put money aside for too. Ugh. We were not prepared like we should have been and that’s definitely been a lesson learned for next time.
In the end, the creditor agreed on the £300 payment for three months, with a review in August, where they want to see details of my earnings again along with a review of income and expenditure. We’ve decided not to overpay anything during this time even if we do get some money together – we’ll save it instead and pay it off when there’s a lump sum as I get the feeling this creditor won’t understand if we try to make extra payments of £100 here and there. It could get much more messy.
I have to say, this has all been rather stressful. After that phonecall, we both felt rather sick – it almost feels like the creditor has the right to just dip into our account and take what measly emergency fund we’ve got.
It’s pretty scary, having to go through this and I’m so thankful that we’re on the final stretch with this financial hole we dug for ourselves. But now we’re managing our own debt management plan, this is what it will be like I guess. I’m still glad we took it over though, because we’re saving money each month by not having to pay a fee.
So, to sum up the month of May, it was scary and we only paid off £300. But hey, we’re still positive! How was May for you?
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I don’t think I would have known what to say to that! How can this person just do simple math and determine you can afford that kind of payment? What happens on paper is often not what real life plays out as. I’m glad you were at least able to settle with your original plan, but that would leave a bad taste in my mouth, too.
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Thanks E.M. I know, that’s what I thought! I can’t wait to get rid of this debt, it’s a bit of a worry isn’t it? I’m definitely going to be better prepared for the next time we speak to them.
Wow! That creditor sounds like a night mare to deal with! I hope things work out ok, you’ll have to let us know what happens at the review in August. As for my May, it was not the greatest, especially when I had car problems on the 31st, which I had to turn around and pay for on June 1st, so there goes my hope of June being better. Oh well, there’s always July! I’m just going to try my best for June and see what happens.
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Thanks Shoeaholicnomore! I will keep you all posted. Sorry to hear that you had car problems, especially on the last day of the May which impacts June’s finances. Hope you end up having a good June anyway.
I had a loan that was front-loaded too, I was very desparate to get a “consolidation” loan for my credit card debt that I didn’t really realise what I had signed until it was too late. I had to work super hard to get that sucker paid off because any payments I made went to interest first. Took a long time (and some moving this debt to another credit card/LOC when my credit rating improved) but its now paid off. Phew! Good luck on moving forward and I probably would have been pretty pissed/upset after that conversation too.
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Yes this one was a consolidation loan too Morgaine. I have to admit we didn’t really look at the details, we just saw the lowish interest rate and thought that it sounded good. Big mistake. Well done on paying yours off, I bet that was such a relief for you. 🙂
First off, what right do they have to review your finances like that?
They are a creditor who has already reviewed your finances upon giving you the loan. Anything further, I don’t think they have the right. But many will play on your vulnerability (I know, I used to be a debt collector).
Is the loan over due? are you paying a debt collector?
If not, just let them know that is the amount you have available and that’s that. Your finances are your privacy. Unless they want to take legal action. But if you are paying the bill accordingly, then they have no action to take.
Is it possible to make extra payments on the principle amount? The loan with my credit union allows me to make my regular payment in addition to paying extra on the principle amount.
My advice, see if another institution will buy the loan out and you can pay them. Sounds like a nightmare where you are currently at, but stand strong. Like I said, if you are making your normal payments and on time, they have nothing to take you for. And can’t raise your payments for a miscellany reason. And you don’t need to evaluate your finances with them.
Best to you. It sucks people of these companies can be so miserable.
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Hi Elizabeth, we are in arrears with this creditor by around £3000, because we’ve been in a DMP for the last few years. However, we’re now offering to pay them £300 per month instead of £119 (and the original loan amount was £192 per month). The only reason we can do that is because we’ve paid off our other debts now. We intended to overpay even more if we make any extra money but I don’t think this creditor is open to ad hoc payments! Crazy! So if we do make any extra money I think we’d be better off to save a lump sum and then pay it off all at once. It hasn’t gone to a debt collector, it’s still with them. They have said that because we defaulted, the account will always remain in their collections department even when we’re up to date with payments!
Yikes! I can understand why you and your husband felt sick after that phone call. It doesn’t seem quite right that they would assume they could take what appears to be additional money from you without more fully seeing the entire pictures. I would have thought they would be have been pleased that you were able to increase your payments so significantly. Hopefully once you can give them a more accurate picture, they will agree to keep it the payments at $300 like you want.
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That’s what we thought too! Alas, we are in arrears so I don’t think they’ll be happy until we’ve caught up. Understandable I suppose. I just can’t wait to be rid of this one Shannon!
Congratulations on making payments this month but your creditor sucks! I appreciate that creditors make their money via interest (& the fees when people default) but I really think the government should do more to help people get out of debt quicker if they are in a position to do so. In some ways I’m glad my debt is credit card as I have so much more flexibility with repayments.
I should add, I think your really brave doing a DMP yourself. I can be quite bolshy (I’m a solicitor specialising in litigation so I argue for a living) but I don’t think I could muster up the confidence to arrange my own DPM.
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Thanks Victoria. This creditor is one of the biggest lenders in the UK as well and they have been the absolute worst to deal with. We did go with a DMP through a company but seeing as we only have one creditor left, we thought we could manage it ourselves plus it will save us money each month. We’ll see how it goes!
Wow – that sounds very stressful. Good luck this month!!
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Thanks so much Amy! Have a lovely weekend. 🙂
No bedside manner from that creditor, ay? Your just a face behind a number, I’m glad you convinced them to accept what had you had originally planned to pay. I hope things go smoother for you in June, Hayley!
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Definitely no bedside manner Debs. I’m sure things will go much smoother from now on especially now we know what to expect from this lender! Best to be prepared. Have a nice weekend!
There must be something in the air, many bloggers around the net weren’t happy with their May debt repayment including myself.
Like you’ve said at least you’re still moving in the right direction, which is down. We owe a similar amount of money and my next milestone is to get it under £10k – that’ll be the day!
It’s funny, many people haven’t a clue know what an emergency fund is and why they’re needed. It’s amusing in this case because they work in finance.
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Sorry to read that May wasn’t great for you either Debt Busting Chick! Here’s hoping that your £10K milestone happens really soon. I guess my creditor doesn’t give two hoots about emergency funds. They just want their money back asap. 🙁
That’s the spirit! Be positive always. You can pay off debt as soon as possible. Just work hard for it and at the end, you will finally be debt free. 🙂
Thanks Hannah! It’s much better to be positive – being down about things definitely doesn’t help matters!
Hayley – I know just how it feels to try and negotiate with creditors like this. Been there too many times in the past myself – and you’re right about the stress. Sometimes – when things were really tight – it could take me an hour or two to build up the courage to make the phone call I needed to make and hope I could hold my nerve and come out with an agreement I could afford!
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Thanks Richard! Glad you managed to get in control of your debts and get them paid off! It’s not the best place to be in having to negotiate with creditors but this is something we have to do. The end is in sight thankfully!